Secure, Scalable, Governed: Power Platform Best Practices with Craig White [MVP]

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Welcome to another edition of the M65 podcast.

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My today is guest is Craig Marge,

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to double MVP,

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AI platform lead governance specialist

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and co-host of the Power Platform Panicroom podcast,

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with over 20 years across Microsoft technologies

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from FOBA to SharePoint, to Microsoft 365,

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Power Platform and co-pilot studio,

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Craig helps organizations scale innovation safely

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with an ability makers to thrive.

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So, Craig, you are a massive legal fan.

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If you, if Power Platform was a legal theme,

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what would it be, legal technique,

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because it's structured and engineered, legal city,

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because everything is connected

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and people build it on top,

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that's legal creator because of flexibility

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or maybe something completely different.

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- I think it's a, it's sitting on the fence a little bit.

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I think it's all three.

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Because depending on where you are,

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and depending on what roles you come from

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or depend on what type of Lego you might wanna build with.

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Right?

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So, I would say if you're working in finance

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or marketing or sales and you're not used to the Power Platform,

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you might wanna start with something as basic as duplo.

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Just to build your first, very simple app

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or workflow using a template,

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just to understand how the bricks kind of formulate together.

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If I wanna a bit more experience with all the NIT,

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I've done a bit of code,

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I know my Excel, RAN Excel function,

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maybe I wanna go for that Lego city thing, all right?

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Cool.

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I can build something a little bit more advanced

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and I can understand how all these bricks fit together

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as part of a wider solution.

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So, I might have an app and some flows

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and some security roles,

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so that could be my Lego city.

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But actually now we're starting to look at, okay,

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what does the new landscape look like?

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Code apps, being on a something example

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where actually we're taking it up a level again.

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Maybe we're if we're into that territory,

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I would say we're into the technique scene, right?

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Technique is a lot more complex, challenging

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and what are the good things that come with it

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and also the bad things.

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So, yeah, maybe I think depending on where you are

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and who you are,

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might depend on what type of Lego set you would buy.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's good.

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So, you have work across Faubea,

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SQL Server, SharePoint, Microsoft 65 and Power Platform.

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What's been the biggest shift in how

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organization approach technology over those years?

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Bigger shifts, good question.

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I think, I don't even know if it's a shift in some senses,

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I think people are still,

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the more technology becomes available,

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the more scared a lot of people get.

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So, maybe there is less shifts for some companies

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because they still got a foot in the previous technology

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and want to keep hold of it.

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I think the return can about mindset shifts,

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I think it's probably been most recently

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with artificial intelligence,

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especially if it's not on effect to the Power Platform.

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Because I've seen a lot of companies now

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that have never embraced the Power Platform.

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It's been around for 10 years,

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they're just not interested, not interested,

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but there's this thing.

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I don't know if you've heard of it,

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Mercodist, they called agents.

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Some people might have heard these things called agents.

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Well, that's perched up a lot of people's interests, isn't it?

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So, I was starting to see that mind-sector shift now

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of people really needing to embrace AI

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because they want to maintain a competitive advantage,

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they want to wall to mate,

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and actually that's now starting to lead them into territories

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of, well, not everything has to be an agent,

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it could be an app, it could be a flow,

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it could be a this, it could be that.

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So, I'm starting to see a huge mind-shit shift now.

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I think previously maybe akin to that

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would be the shift from on-premise into cloud.

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There was a lot of resistance,

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I don't want to go into the cloud, it's not secure.

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And over time, people's mind-sector shifts changed,

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didn't they, they say, well, actually,

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we need to embrace the cloud

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because we can't get away of it, it's the future.

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And so people had to change the way they worked,

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the way they thought about technology.

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Essentially, it's just someone else's

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bit, a kit somewhere else, right?

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But I maybe see those two kind of,

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those two are probably the biggest shifts I've seen

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in the last 20, so years,

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I may say we sound old, isn't it?

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But yeah, obviously, those two, that's fair in it.

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- Yeah, before I ever started,

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I've been in podcast episode.

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I scraped all profile data from LinkedIn and so on.

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And I analyze it, who is AI?

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And I see on your profile,

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you heavily focused on governance and enablement.

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Why do you think so many organizations struggle

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to balance these two things?

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- Well, I think in the low-code world,

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it's a bit different across the rest of the step.

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Can I have said this 20 or so before,

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if we're gonna go to somewhere like Sherpoon

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on Premiere SQL Server, even into the new world,

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getting an exchange mailbox,

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Microsoft Teams, things are turned on by IT.

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And you are given access to that technology

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when the company wants you to have access to that technology.

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So it's a nice, beautiful way.

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The difference of the Power Platform is,

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it's all been on by default and you can't control it.

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I think that's where the struggle has been

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and the lack of awareness of people not realizing

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they need to govern this piece of software

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or binocate or service that's on by default

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because companies think it's gonna be the same as Teams

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and I need to go and turn this on

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and then send an email to everyone again.

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Hello, the Power Platform is now enabled.

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No, Microsoft did that for you.

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And I think that's where the huge governance

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bit comes in, right?

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Because companies aren't aware that

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the Power Platform has been around for 10 years now.

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Can you believe that? 10 years, that's a long time.

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And actually not to people who have been using it

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in your company for 10 years, you just might not realize.

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And that's why that yes, we want companies

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to do all the fun stuff, build apps, build agents

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and build flows, but we need to make sure it's done safely.

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They're not leaking a date around everywhere

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or being exposed to things they shouldn't.

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I've been a governance agent,

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well, really takes on a really interesting pivot now,

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doesn't it, with AI and the fact that it's even more important

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than ever?

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When, when companies first at that Power Platform,

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what are the warning signs that tell you,

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oh, this could be become very chaos quickly.

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Normally looking at default environment.

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Is that the one environment in a tenant

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where everyone's got access to, isn't it?

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So you can normally have a quick look in there

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and sort of see if there's loads of apps and loads of flows.

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You can kind of get a good read very quickly off.

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Okay, there's lots of activity here that's gone unchecked.

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I want to, we need to do about it, right?

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That's not really the first place I look.

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Power Platform, default environment,

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all their tenant settings and power platform

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app and sensor.

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You can get a quick read of someone's maturity,

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I think just looking at those two places, I reckon.

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So, that was, I think you, you got a new job tomorrow

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in the company and they give you,

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a wonderful, completely un-gave on tenant.

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What's the first, you will look at.

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What's the first thing I do?

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I've taught the tenant settings out to make sure people

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should only do what they want to do

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from a tenant perspective who can create environments.

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Should we allow our tenant to talk to another tenant

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using the Power Platform tools?

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So those high level settings, I get done first.

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And then I probably look to put some fake loss prevention

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One of my favorite subjects with Power Platform governance

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is how we enable what APIs can be called in an app

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or a flow or an agent.

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And I'm fortunate, I have lots of companies

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that have had so much activity.

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You've got to spend a lot of time on picking that

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and what ones are we going to allow and not aware

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or we're going to upset people.

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So if I had a completely green filled tenant,

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you could put some policies in place straightaway,

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zero impact on the users because nobody

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will be using it yet.

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And you put that control in place straightaway to say,

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which APIs people can't use on a daily basis

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in their Power Platform solutions.

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And those are just two things.

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Unfortunately, I don't cover across that scenario

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about these days of a green filled tenant.

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And that would be lovely, wouldn't it?

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But I think the reality is that most of us work

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in the governance space.

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I'll probably work in the customers that

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have had a lot of years of activity each on pick

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and upper-cut.

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A governance pick or they are thinking,

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it's slowing down innovation.

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Why they have these mindset, why is this dangerous,

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and how can we change this mindset?

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It's a good question.

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I think seeing the art of possible, I think that can kind of help

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sort of switch it around a little bit to say,

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well look, these tools can be really positive.

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And we want people to start using them,

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racing, just making sure they do it safely, right?

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I think they can be very quick to kind of switch off and go,

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no, we're not going to touch any of that stuff.

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And I think also some people might have a bit more comfort

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in going to spend more money on it and out of the box,

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ready-made solution that might solve one or two

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business problems because maybe that's an old school way

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of doing things where we're going to get a support contract

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if things go wrong and it's not the other--

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maybe that ethos are letting your business people

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actually go out of the solutions.

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But I want the other people who are trying to use to make

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change that mentality is the people closest to the processes

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that need automating are the ones already in your business.

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They're not ones that are third-party company

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that are going to be sprayed a lot of money to come

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and help you.

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It's your money that you issue, you people

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on the ground doing the work.

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So if they can identify a process in rubbish

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and you give them the tools to go and help them automate it,

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that I have seen a few times before help shift that mind

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to actually, if we innovate.

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And if we start small, we do a couple of little use cases

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and see how we get on dipitose in the water,

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I think that can be really positive to start

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on locking the bigger opportunities

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that low-conastered welfare in the power platform.

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And when we think about an environment strategy,

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how important is this topic?

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Huge, I think.

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And this is where someone that's more developer-focused

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experience comes into play again with that.

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I may co-ignore in your organisation as a new to power platform.

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They won't understand the concepts of development,

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test, and production.

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People working on IT are quite familiar with those concepts,

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because we've been in there for years.

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But understanding the different roles in those environments

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is where we build, this is where we test,

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this is our separate production version.

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We do this, so we maintain the integrity,

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we manage change properly.

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So I understand what an environment strategy should look like.

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It's really important.

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It's one of the key things that I do

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in my customers at the moment is how I understand,

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okay, well, here's a play space

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where you can go and just try things out.

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You need to have a different area

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for your production solutions.

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They're going to be licensed and supported

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and sunsetted or whatever else.

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So that's always one of the first things to kind of,

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I think, get quite right to help people understand

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how big the solution is and what kind of best practices

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they need to follow.

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And usually that starts with a good environment strategy, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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When I think, yeah, there it is.

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Yeah.

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The key policies, what we say,

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are one of those things people ignore,

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until there's the problem.

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And I think often it's, it's no, yeah, the leadership

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will not invest, will spend time there.

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How do you explain this value to the leadership team

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that they invest, what time?

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Normally when it comes to trying to rectify a tenant picture,

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if we're looking to try and implement the LP.

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I've learned over the years to try and change my language a little bit.

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If we're talking to more senior stakeholders,

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talking in words they might understand.

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So risk, might be one of them.

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What is the risk of not putting a power platform policy in place?

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And I've seen lots of horrendous examples over the years

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of what can happen if the power platform is left uncontrolled

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with no policies, people will do stupid stuff.

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Now is everyone in your organization

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going to do stupid stuff?

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No, because most people are going to be quite sensible with the tools.

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So the opportunity isn't going to be, it's there,

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but not many people are going to be silly.

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But what is the impact, if that one person's size to be silly?

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Well, we could have a big data find if we've leaked data

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or we could be exposing information to people we should be exposing to.

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And what is the risk of not mitigating some of these things?

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I think that's kind of, sends me a good thing of,

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well, actually, yes, that helps to get the buy-in of,

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let's make sure the platform is secure,

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because we can't control it really,

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because Microsoft have given our employees the keys to the Kingdom.

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We can kind of put some guardrails in places

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to kind of limit the stupid stuff they can do.

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So talking to a language, I think, can kind of help.

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If any of them are lower level,

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you can talk a bit more about APIs and payloads and JSON or whatever else.

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And what a connector actually doesn't do and how to work with it

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and not work with it and output policy in place.

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But for more senior stakeholders, I think risk is always a pretty,

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pretty important one to focus on first.

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That great key.

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You are often talk about enabling people rather than restrict them.

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What do a successful enablement actually looks like?

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Art loads.

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I mean, even I don't get it if right all the time,

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because I'm still not quite technical.

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But I think trying to take the tech away from it sometimes can be really helpful.

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And just helping people lead them to understand the technology themselves

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and the benefit it can have for them,

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rather than almost doing that sort of enforcement of,

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here is a tool you must go and use to,

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try to bring the people to the technology

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and helping them understand the benefits of it.

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This trying to create those internal communities really as well.

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And people can share, honestly,

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see, share the cool things they're doing.

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I've worked with organisations where we try to kind of say,

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you guys and girls are building some apps and flows.

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Let's bring you all together, let's share that experience.

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Let's kind of go on this sort of journey, if you like, together.

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And actually enable each other,

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because I think sometimes word of mouth can be really, really useful.

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As a tool internally,

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it's not always about IT,

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it's always about IT, I've told me to go and use the power platform.

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It might be, you know,

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your colleagues sitting next to you going, hey,

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I just built this awesome thing,

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I've built this app on a rather precious spot

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and it goes and does this.

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And then the person next to me,

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"Wow, how did you do that?"

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So just trying to focus it in around the people, really.

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If you can make them understand the benefits,

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if you can get them some efficient with using the tools as well,

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that's, I think, where you can really start seeing it enabled, right?

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That's something I love doing is working with customers that

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I don't build anything for them.

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I help them to build,

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even if it's a really simple use case that I've done a thousand times.

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It might be a bit boring and not really challenging for me,

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but it's brand new to someone else.

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And hearing their,

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"Wow, that amazement when you show them a power to make flow,

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or a gallery and a canvas app,

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and understanding how something so small like that can change

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the way they work and improve stuff,

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and you're giving them skills to get and build these things themselves

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the next time, I think that kind of stuff is also my love for hearing them,

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so that stuff is good.

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And what separates our company's organization

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that's succeed with citizen development from the,

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yeah, from the old one who fails from your perspective?

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Good question.

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I think one of the most important parts of me having a sponsor

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at a more senior level,

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someone is really brought into the platform,

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what it can do, its capabilities.

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I think if you don't have that support from up top,

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and you're trying to drive it from a lower level,

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I think it'd be quite difficult.

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So it'd say that would be one of the key things is good in.

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Your senior management involved getting a business sponsor is

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going to kind of back the program of work to try and improve the way you work.

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I think that's probably one of the most important things to kind of help succeed.

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And again, just bringing people with you,

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don't enforce it, you have to sort of try and encourage it

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and help people understand what the benefits are.

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And you know, these things here are,

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I hear to take the jobs, it's there here to kind of help you do your jobs quicker

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and faster, seeking new focus and some other stuff.

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But yeah, I think it all starts with that leadership buy-in

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to say, yeah, we're going to go and do this,

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because that's probably really going to help filter downwards then.

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Yeah, I often talk with companies,

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and here in Germany, especially they say,

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oh, the best thing to have no shadow IT is we don't allow to use power plot

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from power pages and so on.

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And then I say, okay, then you have a shadow IT zero,

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but oh, because then it's out of your environment.

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How can companies, when they enable power platform for their users,

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prevent shadow IT?

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But it's quite difficult to prevent shadow IT in the power platform,

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because everything is on by default.

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So whether you like it or not,

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people will have a dad one, use it,

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because they haven't had to go and log a ticket to say,

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please, can I have access to the power platform?

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It's there from day one.

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So I think we have actually on the panic re- and podcast,

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I do have Emma Claire sure, we have a little thing at the end about,

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you know, a shadow IT, a good or a bad thing.

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I think in the instance of the power platform,

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I think it can be a good thing,

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because it's identifying people that have been told about the power platform

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by anyone in the company,

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have just sort of found it in their own day jobs,

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and they might have come across an article or YouTube video,

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and they've started to try and mock up a process or an app or flow to improve how they work.

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I wouldn't have known about that person's interest in the power platform,

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had that sort of element of shadow IT not been there in the first place.

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So I think in terms of purpose in the power platform,

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because we can't control it fully,

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actually having that pocket to shadow IT can be quite a good thing,

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because it could be a new champion in my community

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that can help other people build an app or flow.

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It can help me identify areas of the business that might have some challenges

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that I would have previously aware of,

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and what can we do to help, and how can we bring them along?

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So I don't think we could stop it in terms of the power platform.

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It's how do we sort of harness it to kind of make sure we're meeting those,

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those objectives that we need to for the company, right?

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And what changes one's power platform moves from, I say,

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a small team experiment into enterprise by that gene?

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Good question.

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I think it's not something you do overnight, first and foremost.

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I think you've got to, if you planted those seeds, you've got to water them, right?

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So if there's a pocket of people in your organization that are using them,

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okay, Al-Kanay on board one person each,

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and how can those people on board one person each so they can start?

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Again, that word amount, I think, can be quite powerful to help it grow.

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In terms of the actual technology stack of the seed, you know,

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there's an awful lot you could do at an enterprise level,

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building a solution that lots of people will end up using,

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being involved in that whole life cycle of,

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that could also help with that wider adoption,

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if most of your organization are using those tools on a day-to-day basis.

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But then you've also got out again, that commitment for up top,

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to say, well, if you're going to use the power platform across your whole enterprise,

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you can't just have one person behind the scene supporting it.

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Who's going to look after the governance?

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Who's going to do your solution deployments from deaf to test the broad?

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Who's going to be around to fix things, if things break?

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What if someone logs a ticket about one of your solutions?

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Who does he go to?

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So if you're going to focus on the enterprise adoption,

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you also need enterprise level support, I'm with the hood,

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to make sure that the wheels keep turning, right?

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If things go wrong, more things need changing and that's,

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I think, somewhere, sometimes, some people missed.

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I wanted to do the huge adoption,

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but haven't perhaps invested in the underlying support to kind of,

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you know, be the springboard for adoption as well.

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Yeah, I like the Microsoft champion.

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Yeah, I like this from the user perspective.

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On the leadership side, there it's all, I call it also,

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Barsword, it's send off excellence.

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Our organization using C.V. Toolkit Effect,

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Effective or relying on it too much from the perspective.

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I want to ask a very good question, very topical one,

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given Microsoft's recent announced from there,

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they're not going to actively add any new updates to the C.V. Toolkit, right?

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I see a mixture of both, actually, okay.

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I see companies that are heavily invested in the C.V. Toolkit.

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They use a lot of the functionality,

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not just to kind of understand the activity of their estate,

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but also to help all to make requests when someone has built an app

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and they want you to register it with your business use case

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and then it gets approved or rejected and quarantined,

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automated ability to request the environment to the OP changes.

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I see a lot of customers using quite a lot of the Toolkit quite extensively.

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Others, I think, are kind of very limited to just wanting to receive the information

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and to understand the activity.

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They don't want people to be using parts of the kit,

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because they have to license them, that's usually the kind of key constraint.

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So, do you see a varied mixture?

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I do think that actually is a very good point you make

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that people do rely on it quite a lot.

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And I think we sort of have to rely on it quite a lot since...

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I can't remember exactly when the C.V. Toolkit became a thing.

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Let's say 2018/19, or let's say somewhere around there.

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And because it's become part of everyone's day-to-day life, if you like,

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updating it every month, checking all the flows

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that run in, processing the data, you know, we've had that for seven years at least.

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So, I think people have naturally relied on it, is that source of truth,

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because it's built by Microsoft, and therefore it's the all-seeing eye,

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it's going to be perfect.

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I think people rely on that an awful lot,

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so the news that it's not only going to be updated,

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I think maybe hasn't been met very well, because people do rely on it.

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And I try to remind people that actually whilst the C.V. Toolkit itself

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isn't going to be updated by the power kept even more,

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it's still only using stuff that is fully supported by Microsoft.

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It's still just using Morrowjiven apps, PowerSmart flows,

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ready available APIs that call the Power Apps,

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powerSmart and the Power Platform app in APIs.

505
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,280
There's no kind of voodoo going on in custom code or thing like that.

506
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,280
It's all still supported stuff that we can build and extend.

507
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:45,280
So, actually, we should be relying on the platform, not relying on the Toolkit,

508
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,280
because the platform underpins the Toolkit anyway, right?

509
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,280
Look, all that.

510
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,280
I did that on, Toolkit.

511
00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:03,280
What does the major power platform environment look like for you in 2006?

512
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,280
What is the what, sorry?

513
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,280
A major power platform environment, who looks at for you?

514
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,280
What is a major environment like?

515
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,280
Maturity model.

516
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Oh, what is a mature, good question.

517
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,280
That's a great question.

518
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,280
I think lots of healthy solutions being used.

519
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,280
The buy-net I mean, this is just one metric, by the way.

520
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,280
I walk into a company and I can see they've got 10,000 flows.

521
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,280
But if only 500 of them are providing value to the business is what,

522
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,280
what are the other 9,500 doing?

523
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,280
So, it's a good level of maturity.

524
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,280
You might not necessarily be the volume of assets in the tenant.

525
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,280
It will be how many of them are providing value to the business.

526
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,280
And that could just be a value to you and me.

527
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,280
They built a very simple solution just to you and I.

528
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,280
So, I know track is going to get put the kettle on a t-brake.

529
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,280
I know it's not really simple, but it adds value to what we do.

530
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,280
Right up to solutions that are being used across the organization.

531
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:14,280
So, I'd say like a good level of maturity will be how active are these solutions being used.

532
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:23,280
And is the power platform that go to tall to fix a business problem makes me better?

533
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,280
Like we've always just kind of, I need to do some numbers, I'll open Excel.

534
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,280
The level of maturity might be, I need to automate something or eat a provider form.

535
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,280
I'll go build a power.

536
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,280
If that is become that strategic or point from up top,

537
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280
then this is the tool set we're going to go and use.

538
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,280
People's natural reaction is to,

539
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,280
go to use the power platform to sell that specific problem.

540
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,280
Maybe that could be a good sign of maturity as well.

541
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,280
And people actively involved in the community talking about the products,

542
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,280
helping each other to kind of build cool stuff.

543
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,280
I think that might potentially be another good sign as well, right?

544
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,280
Yeah, I like deep dive more in mid metrics and indicators.

545
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:10,280
What, yeah, Matrix and Dedicators tell you the power platform adaption strategy strategy.

546
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,280
Oh, damn, it's actually working.

547
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,280
Yeah, again, there's always a bit to talk to you,

548
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,280
something like stuff as well.

549
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:25,280
I think it might be, let's say for argument, say tracking the number of times an app has been opened in the past.

550
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:33,280
And that has been opened and used tracking the number of conversion rates between an open and the record being created or something like that.

551
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:41,280
License consumption might be another metric, which might become more and more important as more and more of the platform moves into pretty capacity.

552
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Maybe tracking your license, not just license spend over time,

553
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,280
but are people actively using those licenses?

554
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,280
Maybe that could be another metric as well.

555
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,280
I've worked with companies to build a custom thing in the past of.

556
00:27:54,280 --> 00:28:04,280
Let's get a list of other people with a license and let's match that against security compliance or purview reports to say how many people are actually opening these apps.

557
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:12,280
The need of license and go, well, we've got a hundred people with a license, 50 people using an app, therefore 50% difference, another look.

558
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Yeah, sometimes it'd be good.

559
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,280
This is good measurable stuff that's tangible that's easy to see, isn't it?

560
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Numbers going up or down that people can kind of have a quick eye on and go, yeah, things are being well used or not used or whatever else, right?

561
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:35,280
When we look a little bit, yeah, actually, you're in the future, which rule will I play in the power platform?

562
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:41,280
I'm hoping it will take away some of the administrative burden. That would be quite nice.

563
00:28:41,280 --> 00:29:04,280
In terms of, I mean, there's some things that people are doing in the community now with, using the new power platform, eventually API and sort of loading into different interfaces where people can quickly see, you know, the different settings they've got, app activity, what environments belong to who, how many apps and frozen in those environments.

564
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:15,280
We already started to see some AI infused solutions that are probably going to be the next level of the toolkit. It's not going to be flows and data into tables is going to be the right windows in.

565
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,280
And how can we use MCP service to go and query these things and make changes.

566
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,280
So we haven't got to go and use that the power platform admin interface.

567
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:33,280
Maybe we can start with a chatbot to say, on agent, sorry, to say, can you change this setting from A to B and using an MCP server in the back end?

568
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:50,280
And then we can make that change and do that kind of stuff. So I'm hoping that infusing, if you look across all the stuff on YouTube and stuff in the neighborhood, it's always about AI to improve building an app or building a flow, building an agent would do those things quicker.

569
00:29:50,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Now as we just as important to admins, because we work to do loads of stuff manually, it will be, they'll still be human in the loop and in administrative checking the settings of work, but using AI interfaces and tools to speed up the process.

570
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,280
I think to me really, really vital is a couple years.

571
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:25,280
And you're also involved in co pilot studio and AI see what excited you most about where Microsoft is, yeah, adding with the AI.

572
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:38,280
I'm most excited about this good question. I just think, like, the general capabilities of what's possible now versus what wasn't. And I come from working with co pilot studio now.

573
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Some of you might know that it was used to be called power virtual agents, wasn't it, many years ago? Well, when did that come out 2019, 20, kind of time, I think it's before COVID, I remember now.

574
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:59,280
So to see what it was then, it's basically just a chat interface with essentially hard code and stuff in the background, back to it, just topics.

575
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:06,280
Seeing all the things that can now do a generative AI, created documents from natural language.

576
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:12,280
And I think the new thing was really an ask the other day about business skills is a preview feature.

577
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:20,280
I've been able to save skills in the date of a table that agents can then find using the date of a 70 piece over there.

578
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:31,280
That's what really excited. I love skills skills are awesome. But now to write that kind of custom markdown, father say go and do something in this format in this particular way.

579
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:43,280
So we're designing a process in house at the moment, it will take a requirement for a solution, and we've got different skills at the different roles. So run it through the presale skill, give me a high level overview of what questions I need to ask.

580
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:53,280
They run it for an architect skill that will go and present me a lend stipulation, ship, and diagram and understand when I'm moving parts, you might be on the solution.

581
00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Then there might be a documentation skill that I'll go and build with some solution documentation wants to finish. So that kind of stuff really excites me about how can we.

582
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:16,280
We don't necessarily want to be 100% generative all the time when he answers it with different skills might be that sort of thing of right it generates things but within a framework of insumid consistency within some sort of standards and templates.

583
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:34,280
I really excited to see a where skills go, both with copilot co work and how we can then use those and copilot studio agent. So yeah, I do like a couple of good skills. So that's what I'm really excited to see what more evolves into there. So I think that could be to really excited stuff.

584
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Yeah, I found a little bit governance or GSC was a little bit. Yeah, it's it was somewhere in the darkest room and companies close, close it in the dark room.

585
00:32:52,280 --> 00:33:06,280
They put a deck on on the stage. So I find that's really interesting. Did you think in the age of AI governance changed?

586
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:22,280
I think so from a takeaway in a tech, I think there needs to be more awareness around data security.

587
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,280
I think we perhaps got into a lot of I take back to an early conversation we had.

588
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:33,280
There was used to be a resistance of moving from one premise to the cloud when the cloud was first the thing.

589
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:39,280
Now everyone's adopted the cloud. I think we've now adopted some complacency with the cloud.

590
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:50,280
So we've got into bad habits of light. Wow, I'm just going to share this document with everyone. I'll just give you full control out of my SharePoint site because I don't really know what the other questions do.

591
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,280
So actually with AI I've taken a step back and go.

592
00:33:54,280 --> 00:34:01,280
We've got all this data in our tenant across SharePoint, one drive team, SQL server, whatever else.

593
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:08,280
And we might have overshared it over the last 10 years and just not really known because we had nothing to expose the risk.

594
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:15,280
AI is now amplifying massively all this potential security for laws.

595
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:34,280
And I think that's the important shift for abmins is especially is one understanding that wider breadth and two, there's lots of different systems and then go and minister if you look at a lower level agent governance is done in power platform, happen sensor agents might look at SharePoint.

596
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:41,280
We might be to apply sensitivity enables to our SharePoint information so we can allow our agents or anything she wants needed.

597
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,280
Okay, but we're now looking to get looking for a view and start looking at sensitivity labels.

598
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,280
Oh, we want to ingest some new models across K pilot.

599
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,280
Okay, well that's the Microsoft 365 happen center.

600
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:58,280
If you in UK you might have been able to save one for a pick or XAI or whatever else.

601
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:09,280
So I think it's broader strokes in terms of that governance piece way I know and almost having to re learn or reestablish some of the underlying principles such as zero trust.

602
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,280
And you know that eFoss have pretending everyone thinking everyone's a hacker now to get later out of your tenant.

603
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:27,280
I think maybe we sort of lapsed a little bit on some of those underlying IT principles of security that I think we need to go and re learn or just reassess a week round ourselves in.

604
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:34,280
So we were looking at that wider security data architecture piece to support AI.

605
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:41,280
We're doing it for the right mindsets of security and principle at least privilege and so on and so forth.

606
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,280
So I think AI is wicked.

607
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,280
I think it's given admins more to do.

608
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,280
And that's the end that's the challenge and then comes from most come with a moment of thing, right?

609
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,280
We all want to do the fun stuff, but are we doing it safely?

610
00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:03,280
Something we see quite a lot people on a work laptop and they got access to chat to TTP are they taking work data from their teams environment and sticking into chat to TTP?

611
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:10,280
Are they leaking company data sensitive? Can we lock that down? Are they then going to go into the first or laptop to process?

612
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,280
That's where you need to start thinking about that enablement of people are always find a way.

613
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:26,280
Let's make sure we give companies that right way, make sure it's government will happen, but we still need to kind of make sure these texts will be the text will be what a doctor in our walls as well, right?

614
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,280
Yeah.

615
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:38,280
You are very active in the Microsoft community and a lot of my previous guests say, oh, Craig might you need to invite.

616
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:46,280
So why you must go in the panic room to record your podcast?

617
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:56,280
I think well, the name came up from the panic room in terms of power platform and especially know if they are, it could be quite scary.

618
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,280
There's a lot going on. Let me just talk about the landscape is massive.

619
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:12,280
You used to be as a power platform administrator, you could get away with creating some environments as your environment strategy looking after the see we talk it and that was your job.

620
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:18,280
And that's not under play and the value and the importance and the way people were doing nowadays you got to go across different systems.

621
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,280
You've got to manage AI in different places.

622
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:34,280
And I'm not going to lie, scary. I think most people I talk to are quite overwhelmed by the rate of change, all the admin, the governance, the capabilities that you now have to do.

623
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:42,280
I find it quite overwhelming on a daily basis, so I can want to imagine what people not in IT must be feeling right now.

624
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:52,280
So my idea in a panic room was almost just like a safe space away from the noise shut everything out just to kind of talk digest share experiences.

625
00:37:52,280 --> 00:38:02,280
So that's why we kind of name it the panic room because I think now more than ever people need that sort of safe space to then share ideas, learn from each other.

626
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,280
Because they all want to figure this out together, right?

627
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:14,280
Okay, that's good. You feel safe here live.

628
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:25,280
Yeah, what advice would you give someone trying to build a career around power platform today?

629
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,280
Stay inquisitive.

630
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:40,280
And what I mean by that is, don't shut yourself off, just think you know it all, just keep learning, just keep playing around with things, keep clicking buttons, keep working out what things do.

631
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,280
I think that's a really important part when things change so rapidly.

632
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:56,280
You've got to try and keep base pace of basically kind of ask for difficult and some other bit advice that you to people in this space will be find content creators that you really vibed with.

633
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:15,280
Now for some people that might be a blogger if you prefer reading content others that might be a podcast because you prefer listening others might be YouTube because you prefer watching whatever it is find that medium that medium sorry that supports what you're trying to learn.

634
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:25,280
If you really like power automate your current the first time going find the power went specially to Joe on with or a day in your bird or whatever on YouTube alone from their content.

635
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,280
We got to stay inquisitive because these things keep changing so.

636
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:39,280
Keep trying to learn I think that's the best way in it because I think if you stand still right now you might get left behind a little bit and it's difficult to play catch up.

637
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:51,280
So I have a look for for some quotes on the internet and I read them and you say what what you think about this code okay.

638
00:39:51,280 --> 00:40:00,280
So governance is about this isn't about stopping people it's about helping them to build safe safely at scale.

639
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:10,280
Agree 100% I've always the opinion like governance should be able to stop people is should be there to enable people to do it safely so yeah 100%

640
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,280
Citizens in the office are no longer optional inside modern organizations.

641
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,280
I was sorry a citizen.

642
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,280
Citizens in the developer.

643
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,280
No longer optional.

644
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:37,280
Ask a question I probably say yeah they are another optional we can't keep funneling requests into a central team all the time we've got to and we've got to give people the skills to go and do this stuff themselves.

645
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:49,280
So yeah I don't think there are actually any more we need to more people need to understand how to use the second and help build their own answers to business problems so yeah I agree.

646
00:40:49,280 --> 00:41:00,280
And the last is one is the best governance framework feel invisible for makers.

647
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Yeah because the least amount of friction people have to do what they want to do the better so if they're yeah I can put you agree with that obviously it's always going to be some and they might always be touch points and you're not going to please everyone.

648
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:29,280
You want to make these things as easy to get to as possible if people understand the boundaries and they know the direct route to when I want to get to we've released about a friction yes 100%

649
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:39,280
Okay, they're okay then we jump the rapid fire on I think we have some minutes left nice power apps or power to need.

650
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:50,280
Power apps that's where I started that's why I haven't built a power app for quite a ton of paper yeah I always enjoy power apps.

651
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,280
Most underrated most underrated part of the future.

652
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,280
Most underrated.

653
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,280
Oh that's a good question.

654
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,280
I don't know what is the most underrated feature.

655
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,280
Wow I don't know I'm asking about sure that one.

656
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:28,280
I don't know because depending on where you look there's always specialists in each individual thing isn't it like I know where to give a power pages or power all I think everything has its own place and stature I don't necessarily anything's underrated.

657
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,280
Maybe some functionalities within them are underrated right.

658
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:42,280
And then you subgrids in the model driven up as much as they should do maybe people don't use certain functions in power effects that it should do like the width function.

659
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:59,280
If I'm looking at a lower level in the canvas that is an underrated feature that saves memory increases performance and not a lot of people implement so if I was to go down a lower level I probably say something like that by the underlying functions or capabilities that are slept on a little bit maybe.

660
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:14,280
The best legal set you ever buy the best leg oh that is a real that's the toughest question you've asked me just after the because I have quite a lot of Lego sets the best Lego set I bought.

661
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:25,280
I've got the black pearl behind me that was one of them Peter Creel's house was stranger things that was a really fun because it moves apart and changes dynamic which is pretty cool.

662
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:32,280
And I'm probably going to shout out to the Riverdale Lego set for all of the rings that is that was.

663
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:40,280
Oh it was a bit annoying but now I was one of my most favorite builds of all time that is a superb piece of Lego architecture that was fun to put the OS.

664
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,280
Yeah, what we say one of them three record.

665
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,280
And the worst one.

666
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:55,280
The worst one is behind me is the Avengers tower because I love the Avengers films especially the first phase of films.

667
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:09,280
Well there's lots of windows on the tower and most of that set was just clipping in the glass things in the plastic glass into the window frames is a bit boring a bit tedious so even though it looks good now it's finished.

668
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:22,280
And there's lots of cool little Easter eggs in here the actual build of it I didn't really enjoy that much to be honest which is a shame because it wasn't exactly a cheap legacy so yeah I probably said that was on my last and she didn't enjoy it but there we go.

669
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,280
Coffee tea or energy drink during the time.

670
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,280
The coffee nice coffee though not instant coffee.

671
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:44,280
Nice got to be nice coffee one thing Microsoft should publish tomorrow when you can say them and anything one to will our feature.

672
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,280
What if I could choose a feature what would I have kind of thing.

673
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:53,280
Yeah you are for you you can say Microsoft this you have to release tomorrow.

674
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,280
Microsoft that's released tomorrow.

675
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:03,280
And enabling Claude for the UK and EU without having to worry about.

676
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,280
They are residency and stuff everything seems to everyone receives Claude at the main room.

677
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:15,280
And it's a bit more of a legal issue for you can you using Claude because of where your date is processed and save.

678
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:23,280
So if that was if I could do one thing tomorrow to go and sort that out Microsoft so the rest of the world can use Claude about any fears of.

679
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,280
The date of side of things so that's what I would do because Claude is pretty cool I like Claude so.

680
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,280
That's what I would do.

681
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:40,280
And yeah my last question is from the session what if the one thing everyone should take away.

682
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:52,280
And I think touching back on the points you made anyone governance shouldn't be there to stop people doing things governance should be an able to help people do things safely.

683
00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:01,280
So people are thinking about governance in terms of how much luck everything down on edge to change your mindset a bit and think governance is the first part of.

684
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:07,280
In able in your workforce people productive to try and stocks but in those things around.

685
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,280
Yeah and that by the adventure.

686
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,280
And don't buy an event just tell it yeah everything you do that.

687
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:27,280
To be fair it was that bad but yeah yeah it was a bit disappointing let's put it away so if you're going to buy it don't spend a lot of money on it but a second hand or something so it's also good.

688
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,280
So Claude because there's more has been an awesome convert is it was so any fun.

689
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,280
Yeah we've been fun fans having me honest we were going to.

690
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:47,280
Thanks you for sharing your experience on governance, scale event power platform AI and enabling innovation in the right way that was nice session so.

691
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:55,280
Thank you so much and have a nice day and I hope you come back and you look at your prediction in the six months again.

692
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,280
Yeah thanks again for having me we give fun we enjoyed it.

693
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Thank you bye.